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Title: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Tetsu (Soltur) on February 19, 2013, 01:30:45 PM
Alex was not included because we have yet to fight him. He is not a game's main antagonist.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Scorpio on February 19, 2013, 06:57:31 PM
Saturos was great, but I voted for Karst. She was a great villain with a great motive.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Halcyonic Legend on February 19, 2013, 09:04:10 PM
Saturos was definitely the main antagonist throughout the whole campaign.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Tetsu (Soltur) on February 19, 2013, 09:15:57 PM
My vote goes to Saturos. I just think that he was the most well-developed character. Menardi, in terms of development, was sub-par.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Halcyonic Legend on February 19, 2013, 09:42:16 PM
Saturos definitely had the motive, although it was not an evil one. He just was too obsessed, and didn't let anyone in his way. He even went as far as kidnapping a little girl (Sheba). That's terrible. His people weren't evil at all.
Perhaps if he had talked about this to Vale in the first place, that whole mess could have been avoided. But then there wouldn't have been a game. lol.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Tetsu (Soltur) on February 19, 2013, 09:48:16 PM
Precisely.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Star Magician on February 20, 2013, 10:10:01 AM
I always liked Saturos and Menardi because of their good intentions, but malicious fervor when it came to carrying out their duty. It's like they were thinking "the ends justify the means" the entire time. They were best as villain characters because of that, imo.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Tetsu (Soltur) on February 21, 2013, 04:37:21 AM
I applaud you, Star, because you put it perfectly.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Rolina on February 21, 2013, 05:30:26 PM
I always liked Saturos and Menardi because of their good intentions, but malicious fervor when it came to carrying out their duty. It's like they were thinking "the ends justify the means" the entire time. They were best as villain characters because of that, imo.
Let's not forget - TLA revealed that they HAD tried diplomacy before being forced to take the more brutal route when Vale's leaders wouldn't listen.  It's a nice "Take that!" at the more idealistic "you could have just explained!" approach.  They did - and then were told to GTFO for their troubles.  Stealing the stars was literally their only option left.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Halcyonic Legend on February 21, 2013, 05:55:27 PM
They tried diplomacy? I don't remember that.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Rolina on February 21, 2013, 06:02:53 PM
IIRC, either Alex or Kraden said that.  I can't remember exactly where, though - and it was a very quick line, so it was easy to miss.  Or was it one of the Proxians..?
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Halcyonic Legend on February 21, 2013, 06:11:58 PM
It'd be more likely for a Proxian to say it. I don't remember Kraden or Alex saying it.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Tetsu (Soltur) on February 21, 2013, 10:12:58 PM
What did all of us think of Blados and Chalis? I really thought they were dumb, to put it kindly.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Rolina on February 21, 2013, 10:46:53 PM
They're on my scrappy list, simply because they were inepts.  The game lied about them being adepts - they never once cast a spell on me.  Made their fight boring as hell.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Tetsu (Soltur) on February 21, 2013, 10:49:30 PM
They could use A LOT more work....
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Rolina on February 21, 2013, 10:51:07 PM
I hate the idea of castable light and dark in golden sun, but I hate what they did even more - why make a big deal out of it, but then never show it off?  If you're gonna go that way, at least commit to it, dangit!
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Tetsu (Soltur) on February 21, 2013, 10:57:31 PM
But that's too logical!
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Ivan Strider on February 27, 2013, 04:10:12 AM
Karst is the best. Saturos was epic, but Karst was one not to mess with.

Saturos: You cross, him he makes you suffer

Karst: You cross her, you're dead.

Karst seemed more unforgiving than Saturos. That is why I like Karst better.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Tetsu (Soltur) on February 27, 2013, 02:17:29 PM
Saturos is still the best because of his development.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Nyran on February 28, 2013, 05:07:01 AM
Menardi and Agatio, on the other hand, are on Tier 2

With Blados and Chalis on Tier 4, placing below the Wise one.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Ivan Strider on March 02, 2013, 11:05:26 PM
the Wise One isn't an Antagonist yet.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Light on March 03, 2013, 01:12:04 AM
They all suck, they had little to no development in the games they appear in (I don't count plot development of saturos and menardi in TLA since they were dead by then)
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Ivan Strider on March 03, 2013, 02:32:37 AM
I do agree with Development.

Karst and Agatio Appear only 4 times (Karst 5)  although if Alex was on the list He has the best overall development.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Tetsu (Soltur) on March 03, 2013, 05:16:50 AM
Well we have yet to fight Alex.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Light on March 03, 2013, 06:31:58 AM
Well we have yet to fight Alex.
IF we ever do
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Tetsu (Soltur) on March 03, 2013, 06:36:23 AM
Yes, if. That was my reason for not including him.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Ivan Strider on March 05, 2013, 03:16:37 AM
if you think "IF" it's more likely to not happen if you think "when" it will be more likely to happen.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Tetsu (Soltur) on March 05, 2013, 02:58:10 PM
Is that necessarily true?
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Nyran on March 05, 2013, 04:32:47 PM
No, it's not. It's stupid.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Merc on March 05, 2013, 09:33:15 PM
If you think 'if', you're accepting the fact that it might not happen, and you'll be less likely to be disappointed. If you think 'when', you'll be waiting until it does, and an eventual realization that it won't happen will be all the more crushing. Also, you know what they say about when you assume things…

And since I doubt anybody is actually having fun talking about this, especially in a topic about the best antagonist in the GS series, shall we get back on topic?
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Tetsu (Soltur) on March 05, 2013, 10:16:43 PM
So, Mercury, who do you think?
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Merc on March 05, 2013, 10:25:53 PM
I'm thinking either Karst or Saturos. None of the other villains seem to have any sort of character development. I think I'm going to go with Karst because Saturos died before we actually learned what all of his true motives are, while Karst is still alive when we learn of her motives. Not just that, but we see a lot more of Karst than Saturos.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Tetsu (Soltur) on March 05, 2013, 10:48:51 PM
You have a point there, Merc.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Ivan Strider on March 08, 2013, 12:05:09 AM
Someone agrees with me! YAAY! i'm not alone.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Tetsu (Soltur) on March 09, 2013, 05:18:33 AM
I'm still sticking to my guns here, though, because I saw Karst as more of a vindictive, spiteful character whereas Saturos seemed more...calm. He didn't seem psychopathic, for lack of a better term. Know what I mean? But Karst runs a super-close second.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Zattiri on March 14, 2013, 01:35:19 AM
My vote went to Karst, to balance things out.

I was really tempted to troll, and vote for Chalis.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Tetsu (Soltur) on March 15, 2013, 12:46:03 PM
My question to Zattiri s this: Why? D you have any reasons to back up Karst? Any that have not yet been brought up?
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Rolina on March 15, 2013, 04:20:32 PM
To be honest, I'd not pick any of those.  The question specifically asks "best developed", and none of them were really developed that well.  I mean, maybe S&M due to their postmortem character growth by the player finding out what they were really trying to do, but to be honest, most of the characters in GS were kinda flat in terms of characterization.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Ivan Strider on March 24, 2013, 01:49:14 AM
I don't like that they MUTED the main character. and also Golden Sun isn't a true RPG. the only choices you have are Yeses and No's. and where you can go.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Merc on March 24, 2013, 01:56:38 AM
I don't like that they MUTED the main character. and also Golden Sun isn't a true RPG. the only choices you have are Yeses and No's. and where you can go.
…………………

 ???
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Ivan Strider on March 26, 2013, 01:03:23 AM
A true RPG lets you choose between phrases you can say that can change the story. Like Dragon Age
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Merc on March 26, 2013, 03:16:47 AM
Quote from: Wikipedia
A role-playing game (RPG and sometimes roleplaying game) is a game in which players assume the roles of characters in a fictional setting. Players take responsibility for acting out these roles within a narrative, either through literal acting or through a process of structured decision-making or character development. Actions taken within many games succeed or fail according to a formal system of rules and guidelines.

What you described is a design choice in an RPG. If you use that definition, there would be very few actual RPGs. Famous RPG franchises such as Pokemon, Final Fantasy, Kingdom Hearts, and many others wouldn't be so widely considered to be RPGs.

The idea of an RPG isn't specifically for you to affect the characters through choices, it's for the player to take the role of the character throughout their story and see he world through the eyes of another person.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Tetsu (Soltur) on April 08, 2013, 02:25:49 PM
I don't like that they MUTED the main character. and also Golden Sun isn't a true RPG. the only choices you have are Yeses and No's. and where you can go.

Uuuhhhhhhhhhhh...okay? Golden Sun is an RPG. I like how Merc put it. *hi-five for Merc* You are playing as a set character (Isaac, Matthew, etc.) and you CONTROL what they are doing. I think that the mute-ness lets you put your own thoughts in...sorta.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Ivan Strider on April 09, 2013, 12:50:09 AM
i know...but.....I dunno what i'm saying and I probably shouldn't have said it....
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Team Flare Zakk ( Agatio ) on May 27, 2013, 04:07:59 AM
I'm in 3rd place, I was surprised I got more support than  :menardi:

I wasn't surprised in how unpopular Blados and Chalis are, they can never be as great as  :agatio:
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: cybrah on June 09, 2013, 11:45:09 PM
Big fan of  :saturos: so you know where my vote is going. You all have summed everything up really. That being: Well developed character, end justifies the means attitude. Also that he is perceived as the antagonist, but that is because we are playing as Isaac's group, pretty sure Felix's and Isaac's party are enemies before they join in TLA. (one wants to stop the other from lighting the lighthouse). I am sure you could make a storyline from Saturos' point of view, now who're the bad guys!. Also Saturos always stuck to his guns! Agiato and Karst went soft at the end! But this is just my two cents (or a little more than that it seems!)
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Ivan Strider on June 10, 2013, 07:50:13 AM
Karst didn't go soft. and actually no characters were well developed at all. Karst was ready to get Revenge for her sister, but was intercepted by Felix and couldn't kill Isaac or she would lose her life too. Probably not going to make her sister proud so she was going to wait. but she waited too long and payed the price at Mars Lighthouse.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Team Flare Zakk ( Agatio ) on June 11, 2013, 01:56:06 AM
Agatio wasn't soft either, he was a aggressive attacker, he was big, can throw a Meteor in your face, looks like a Proxian Ganondorf and Agatio got to KO Isaac with that Rising Dragon move.

As for Agatio's apology, Agatio and Karst were never Felix's enemies to begin with, they had the same ultimate goal, but they had to confront Felix when he opposed killing Isaac because the mission was avenge Menardi no matter who gets in the way, Felix was no longer trusted, so that's why Karst and Agatio took the Mars Star in a attept to finish it themselves.

Ivan Strider is right about characters not being well thought out, it was confusing knowing who the true bad guy was sometimes, first Saturos and Menardi are the bad guys, then Felix is bad, then Alex is bad, it seems everybody had a moment where they were bad.

Also of course anybody associated with the guys portrait as bad were enemies too, so there was a lot of heel turns and face turns throughout the series, now watch Blados and Chalis turn good somehow.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Ivan Strider on June 11, 2013, 04:56:57 PM
No. Just no. Knowing Blados and Chalis, they are probably, dead like Saturos and Menardi. Blados and Chalis are the worst Characters I've seen so far. Their battles weren't as hard as Saturos and Menardi and Karst and Agatio

And actually if I remember correctly, Karst was the one who used Rising Dragon.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Team Flare Zakk ( Agatio ) on June 11, 2013, 10:54:23 PM
Ivan Strider, actually Agatio is the one who uses Rising Dragon, Karst uses things like Death Scythe, Supernova, stuff like that.

Blados and Chalis were terrible villians, they were totally in the shadow of Arcanus, why isn't Arcanus aka Alex in this poll?

Alex would totally surpass Saturos.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Ivan Strider on June 12, 2013, 12:10:50 AM
Ah okay. I just assumed, because it looked like fume which Jenna uses. Being Stereotypical here. D:
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: cybrah on June 12, 2013, 07:34:02 AM
Sorry maybe soft is the wrong word, you guys make excellent points. I just wish there was some continuity. At least Alex was "evil" the whole way through. One minute Isaac is mute, nek minnit he isn't. (nek minnit reference: Nek Minute - Original (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTZyorJVeqI#)) Funny that lighting the lighthouse is the "good" thing... Isaac's party might actually be considered as antagonists?
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Ivan Strider on June 12, 2013, 07:48:46 AM
they were. I's a whole confusing storyline that if you don't follow along, you'll get lost
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: cybrah on June 12, 2013, 07:58:14 AM
AH! But isn't it glorious!
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Tetsu (Soltur) on June 13, 2013, 04:14:48 AM
AH! But isn't it glorious!

Depends: Define "glorious." Is it "Dreadfully boring and never ever staying on track?" If so, then yes.

Ivan Strider, actually Agatio is the one who uses Rising Dragon, Karst uses things like Death Scythe, Supernova, stuff like that.

Blados and Chalis were terrible villians, they were totally in the shadow of Arcanus, why isn't Arcanus aka Alex in this poll?

Alex would totally surpass Saturos.

Aw, I don't know. I was too lazy, I guess.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Team Flare Zakk ( Agatio ) on June 14, 2013, 12:28:32 AM
Ah okay. I just assumed, because it looked like fume which Jenna uses. Being Stereotypical here. D:

Rising Dragon does look similar to Dragon Fume, doesn't it.

I'm starting to think the Fire Dragon that is found in Yampi Desert Cave is actually a monster designed after Agatio's Flame Dragon model here's why.

Fire Dragon uses a Dragon Fume, the same move Jenna uses and that move does look like the Rising Dragon move Agatio uses

Fire Dragon is actually a palette swap of the Flame Dragons Karst and Agatio turn into, it's basically a purple Flame Dragon

Fire Dragon is a playable character using the Fire Dragon psynergy in the Beast Lord class, so basically you're turning your character into Agatio to use Fire Breathe, a move both the Fire Dragon and the Flame Dragon both have


 :agatio: What I'm a Fire Dragon and playable?

 :mia: Kind of, you still need a playable adept that's in the Beast Lord class to summon you as a psynergy attack much like Call Dullahan.

 :agatio: Cool!
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: cybrah on June 14, 2013, 02:35:12 AM
AH! But isn't it glorious!

Depends: Define "glorious." Is it "Dreadfully boring and never ever staying on track?" If so, then yes.

Ivan Strider, actually Agatio is the one who uses Rising Dragon, Karst uses things like Death Scythe, Supernova, stuff like that.

Blados and Chalis were terrible villians, they were totally in the shadow of Arcanus, why isn't Arcanus aka Alex in this poll?

Alex would totally surpass Saturos.

Aw, I don't know. I was too lazy, I guess.

Lol no, I don't mean that...
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Tetsu (Soltur) on June 14, 2013, 06:22:25 PM
What did you mean then?
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Team Flare Zakk ( Agatio ) on June 17, 2013, 11:18:48 PM
I have to ask, why doesn't anybody like  :menardi:?

She can at least get 4th place by default because she's definitely better then  :blados2: and  :chalis2:
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Star Magician on June 18, 2013, 04:39:50 AM
I have to ask, why doesn't anybody like  :menardi:?
Maybe because she just plays a partner role to Saturos. Menardi never stuck out as a unique character to me, either. Like she's there just to be there.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Tetsu (Soltur) on June 18, 2013, 08:42:31 PM
Well, Menardi was a jerk. Saturos was too, but he was a cool jerk.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Rolina on June 18, 2013, 10:45:13 PM
Saturos left more of an impression, as did Karst.  That's why Menardi and Agatio take the second tier spot.

I agree in that Blados and Chalis don't deserve a better spot, though.  They were crazy disappointing in battle.  I mean... these so called "Dark Adepts" don't cast a single spell.  They fight like freaking inepts - with physical blows and items.  It's insulting.

Personally, I order it in tiered sets, rather than a flat order, simply because it's easier to do:

1st Tier:  Satty and Karst
2nd Tier:  Menny and Agatio
3rd Tier:  Blados and Chalis
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Ivan Strider on June 19, 2013, 02:27:05 AM
They don't even deserve a 3rd tier. more like 100th tier.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Team Flare Zakk ( Agatio ) on June 19, 2013, 02:41:41 AM
Saturos left more of an impression, as did Karst.  That's why Menardi and Agatio take the second tier spot.

I agree in that Blados and Chalis don't deserve a better spot, though.  They were crazy disappointing in battle.  I mean... these so called "Dark Adepts" don't cast a single spell.  They fight like freaking inepts - with physical blows and items.  It's insulting.

Personally, I order it in tiered sets, rather than a flat order, simply because it's easier to do:

1st Tier:  Satty and Karst
2nd Tier:  Menny and Agatio
3rd Tier:  Blados and Chalis

That makes a lot of sense now that it's listed like that.

I have to wonder now the true relationship between the 4 Proxians?

All we know for sure is  :menardi: and  :karst: being sisters, but how do they all relate, I'll put the possible scenerios.

 :saturos: and  :menardi: there is a popular shipping called Proxshipping that pairs these two

 :agatio: and  :karst: another popular shipping that pairs these two called Dragonshipping

However some things my actually reverse that whole shipping scenario

 :saturos: and  :karst: Karst was really upset about her sister being killed, I mean she went off the deep end, it makes me wonder if she might of also had feelings for Saturos?

 :agatio: and  :menardi: Agatio often seemed to have had some sort of feelings for Menardi, why did he want to avenge her so badly, he even refused to run when they were out numbered on Jupiter Lighthouse

Also was  :saturos: and  :agatio: best friends in Prox much like  :isaac: and  :garet: were growing up in Vale, maybe, that could explain Agatio's desire to avenge his best friend too, Garet would do the same for Isaac.

Actually Ivan Strider,  :blados2: and  :chalis2: should be replaced by  :arcanus2: in this whole entire topic.

So what do guys think, how do the 4 Proxian antagonists truely relate?
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Rolina on June 19, 2013, 02:46:36 AM
Could you please use text instead of emotes to refer to people?  Using emotes just looks tacky.

Agatio didn't seem to have feelings for Menny.  It looked like he was simply there to support Karst - his dialogue really doesn't show any sense of wanting vengance, not the way Karst's does.  That's one of the big points in Dragonshipping's favor - even if they're only friends, Agatio still sticks with Karst until the end.  And... I'm not sure where you're coming from when you say Agatio and Satty were friends...

Actually, I'm confused overall by that post of yours.  I don't know what it is you're trying to say there.  Between the disruptive emotes and the rather... incoherent message, what exactly are you trying to say?
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Ivan Strider on June 19, 2013, 03:36:07 AM
??? same here.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Team Flare Zakk ( Agatio ) on June 19, 2013, 03:48:11 PM
Give me a break, I'm Agatio, meaning I'm not the smartest.

I think basically I'm just asking how do the 4 Proxians relate if anything.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Scorpio on June 19, 2013, 05:58:35 PM
Agatio was a good soldier, he needed no motivation other than "My people need me." He's actually one of the most selfless characters because he died for his people.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Tetsu (Soltur) on June 20, 2013, 02:52:03 AM
That's true. I never thought of that.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Team Flare Zakk ( Agatio ) on June 24, 2013, 12:24:40 AM
Yes, now that I think of it, I did didn't I, but now I'm resurrected and stronger than ever.

I'm not sure what happened to Karst though.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Tetsu (Soltur) on June 24, 2013, 05:40:51 AM
She came back, but disappeared.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Team Flare Zakk ( Agatio ) on July 02, 2013, 09:29:08 PM
Why doesn't anybody like Chalis?

I can see why Blados is lame, but Chalis isn't too bad.

I wouldn't say she is as great as Karst, definitely no.

Can we at least say Chalis was better than Blados?

I'm not sure how she's compare to Menardi, I like Menardi, but in do respect I don't want to say Chalis is better than her, if I did Karst would have my head, I think I could say maybe Chalis and Menardi are at a equal level though.

Another question, if Alex was in this topic, would he surpass Saturos as the best antagonist?
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Ivan Strider on July 02, 2013, 10:06:02 PM
Blados looks too much like Agatio. Chalis' dress is just weird, but Chalis was actually pretty good. She just needs a bit more sass.

Blados was bland and boring. Just...NO.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Star Magician on July 07, 2013, 10:31:51 AM
Not sass. I think she needed a bit more malice. >:3
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: cybrah on August 08, 2013, 02:54:13 PM
Saturos left more of an impression, as did Karst.  That's why Menardi and Agatio take the second tier spot.

I agree in that Blados and Chalis don't deserve a better spot, though.  They were crazy disappointing in battle.  I mean... these so called "Dark Adepts" don't cast a single spell.  They fight like freaking inepts - with physical blows and items.  It's insulting.

Personally, I order it in tiered sets, rather than a flat order, simply because it's easier to do:

1st Tier:  Satty and Karst
2nd Tier:  Menny and Agatio
3rd Tier:  Blados and Chalis

Satty and Menny

You made my night.. Honestly, I am giggling at these pet names.

I can image Kraden calling Saturos - Satty m'boy!

We are getting in depth here and debating some excellent points.

I agree with these tiers, but personally I find it hard to separate "Satty and Menny" However Karst did seem to have some extra bite. Saturos for me first and foremost, but otherwise...

I MIGHT NEED ANOTHER PLAY THROUGH JUST TO BE SURE!
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Tetsu (Soltur) on August 28, 2013, 11:07:21 AM
I very much agree. Karst and Saturos both are close. It is quite difficult to separate between the two. I like Rolina's idea of separating them into different tiers.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Team Flare Zakk ( Agatio ) on September 14, 2013, 10:48:22 PM
Me and Menardi?

We're good friends, but I think she's into Saturos!

All I know is Karst likes me, she likes my big scaly muscles.

Also I recall Menardi punching Karst yelling back off Bowser when she thought Karst was ogling Saturos, believe it not, these sisters would fight.

I never really fought with big brother, Saturos, but sometimes he'd tease me about some guy named Exdeath from Dissidia looking like me, I don't know, he also teased about Blados being my long lost twin, he was the one first said I looked like Ganondorf, then when I saw Ghirahim, I finally got to tease him about that.

Me and big brother Saturos both love the Norweigien Black Metal, he simply loves Satyricon, gee wonder why, I like Dimmu Borgir and Old Man's Child, I also borrow his Satyricon sometimes, we both like wrestling too.

Karst and Menardi like gee, I forget who they listened to, I know they love Cradle of Filth and Arch Enemy.

Kraden having a Pet named Saturos, really?

 :saturos: CURSE YOU KRADEN, someday when this seal is broken, that is when I will exterminate your descendants!

 :agatio: Haha, Ganondorf already said that line, now you're Ganondorf!

 :saturos: SHUT UP, EXDEATH!

 :agatio: Why you!

 :menardi: Grow up you two.

 :karst: Wow Agatio hits hard, look at his muscles!

 :menardi: Shut up Karstina Aguilera, you wouldn't perfection in a Proxian if it's right in front of you and well it is, look at Saturos go.

 :karst: He's kind of...

PUNCH!

 :menardi: BACK OFF BOWSER!

 :karst: THAT'S IT BRING IT ON WHELP, I'LL SHOW YOU WHO THE SUPERIOR SISTER IS!

 :agatio: Gee I wonder if the bottom tier fights eachother like this?

 :felix: Why can't I be included as a bad guy, I'm bad!

 :mia: Why can't I be included as a villain, I'm Alex's cousin, how do you guys know if maybe I'm like Zuko's sister Azula and I turn out to be even more evil than Alex, and maybe crazy too, hehehe?

 :alex: I should be the best villain, not Saturos, I'm Alex the main villain of the entire series, hahaha!

 :isaac: :garet: :ivan: :mia: :felix: :jenna: :sheba: :piers: SEPHIROTH!

 :alex: Silence, stop calling me that, I am much superior to this Sephiroth you speak of.

 :mia: Oh please, you're no where as evil as me little cousin, evil giggle, twitch!

 :alex: Mia, you're..

 :mia: Watch what you say Alex, if you say the c word, everybody will be destroyed by DEATH WATER, evil giggle, twitch!
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Tetsu (Soltur) on September 15, 2013, 01:11:37 AM
Uhm...no comment...
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Team Flare Zakk ( Agatio ) on October 10, 2013, 06:38:26 PM
Ok since Saturos obviously is the best Antagonist, he is loved by the Golden Sun fans as a villain, we consider him a iconic villain to the series.

Now Agatio is pretty much considered the new Saturos of Lost Age, he did a great job playing the part, he's not Saturos, but he was cool.

I can't say the same for Blados, the fact is Blados is a loser, they should have never made Blados and Chalis, whatever gig they had for them, Camelot needs to scrap it and have a new Saturos.

Why is there not a new Saturos?

For GS4 I would like the new antagonist to be a new Saturos Proxian character that still holds a grudge against Isaac for killing Saturos and Menardi and claims that Agatio and Karst being killed by a dragon was a lie then he joins up with Alex.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Star Magician on October 12, 2013, 07:48:22 AM
But a villain bent on nothing but revenge makes for a poor, boring villain... What they should be doing is trying to make an antagonist who's a better villain than Saturos, otherwise it will just be same old, same old, y'know?
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Team Flare Zakk ( Agatio ) on October 13, 2013, 02:07:55 AM
But a villain bent on nothing but revenge makes for a poor, boring villain... What they should be doing is trying to make an antagonist who's a better villain than Saturos, otherwise it will just be same old, same old, y'know?

Star, that was Agatio and Karst's gig, the new Proxians would have totally different storylines.

Maybe he actually has absolutely no respect for Saturos, Menardi, Karst, Agatio, or even Felix, like other Proxians do and is a arrogant jerk who claims he's better than all of them, now that would make a interesting gig.

He wants Matthew dead not because he's the descendant of Isaac, but because he is related to Felix in whom he thinks is a piece of garbage compared to him.

This would make us not just hate him for being so arrogant, but we'd love him because he's the new Saturos, his goal is to be the new Saturos if that makes any sense.


The good Proxian's role is to help Matthew stop him because he part of Alex's group and his personal reason would be similar to Mia's, he betrayed Prox.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Star Magician on October 14, 2013, 02:01:30 AM
Star, that was Agatio and Karst's gig, the new Proxians would have totally different storylines.

Personally, I don't really see them as good villains, even though other people seem to like Karst. They're just kinda there in TLA while Alex is pulling all the strings.

A revenge-bent villain would never compare to Saturos. That would just make them the next Karst. Just sayin'
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Team Flare Zakk ( Agatio ) on October 17, 2013, 04:52:29 AM
Star, that was Agatio and Karst's gig, the new Proxians would have totally different storylines.

Personally, I don't really see them as good villains, even though other people seem to like Karst. They're just kinda there in TLA while Alex is pulling all the strings.

A revenge-bent villain would never compare to Saturos. That would just make them the next Karst. Just sayin'

I always thought it would of been better off just to resurrect Saturos and Menardi.

Perhaps maybe Arcanus has powers like that, we don't know, all we do know is he's very powerful, he probably can resurrect them if he wanted to.

Saturos and Menardi of course wouldn't age because they been dead for years, I'd like to see this happen.

Hades resurrected Medusa, so why not Arcanus resurrect Saturos and Menardi?
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Star Magician on October 18, 2013, 11:32:34 AM
Because Saturos and Menardi were just pawns to him in the end. He doesn't need them- he'll just use someone else.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Team Flare Zakk ( Agatio ) on October 19, 2013, 04:56:41 AM
Because Saturos and Menardi were just pawns to him in the end. He doesn't need them- he'll just use someone else.

Amiti for heel turn, Arcanus teaches his son to be evil, and don't say it's impossible because Felix was bad, then made a face turn in Lost Age.

Face turn means turn good, heel turn means turn bad, jeez doesn't anybody here watch wrestling?
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Star Magician on October 19, 2013, 06:41:59 AM
Lol no. You're literally the only one :P
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Team Flare Zakk ( Agatio ) on October 20, 2013, 08:09:35 PM
We all know Alex should be Golden Sun's best villain, he is the main villain after all, he needs to start being a final boss.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Light on October 21, 2013, 02:14:30 AM
We all know Alex should be Golden Sun's best villain, he is the main villain after all, he needs to start being a final boss.
I wouldn't classify Alex as the main villain, true he is the only "evil" character in all three games, but in all three he is nothing more than a minor character
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Scorpio on October 21, 2013, 03:36:41 AM
And he's only "evil" because of what he's done. We have not see WHY he did it yet.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Team Flare Zakk ( Agatio ) on October 22, 2013, 03:32:44 AM
Well according to my beliefs in how polls are ran, Menardi and Agatio are the two best villains because I say they are.

Out of the two, Agatio wins out slightly landing Menardi in second.

Then I decide Saturos as the successer in third place.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Tetsu (Soltur) on October 22, 2013, 03:36:27 AM
Care to give any reasons, Agatio?
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Team Flare Zakk ( Agatio ) on November 02, 2013, 12:01:03 AM
Care to give any reasons, Agatio?

I guess since nobody else wants to give any love to Menardi, I feel she deserves at least one fan, and that would be me.

 :gsjoy: :menardi: :gsjoy:
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Tetsu (Soltur) on November 04, 2013, 02:59:17 PM
Well, I do like Menardi as a character, but to an extent. Saturos was an amazing villain in my opinion.
Title: Re: SPOILER: Best Antagonist?
Post by: Team Flare Zakk ( Agatio ) on November 07, 2013, 01:46:16 AM
Why can't Felix be considered a best Antagonist?

Sure he turned face in Lost Age, but he was heel in the first game