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Title: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Light on June 25, 2013, 08:45:43 PM
Basically, due to the clutter of inactive GS4 topics, I have decided to make 1 topic to address all the subjects of those topics

So discuss everything about GS's future here

Alright my point of view:
GS4 will be released on 3DS unless Wii U sales increase massively
Camelot will announce it in 2-5 years
Isaac will represent GS in SSB4, as there will be a total of 50 characters according to Nintendo (so Isaac's position is guaranteed)
a GS5 is possible, depending on sales of course
at least 2-3 fangames are in development (One by Rolina)
I will make one in good time (It will be a surprise, and I will approach Camelot with it so no problems arise)
Someone will make a manga revolved around the first two games and/or events of how alchemy was sealed
We will have 8-16 party members in GS4
Dark and Light psynergy introduced in GS4, usable I mean (Rolina, I don't know why you say Dark and Light ARE fundanentalments, when no one knows that, unless you had an interview with someone who works for Camelot)
The main protagonist will be Felix' Son (Camelot will never, ever make a Female the main character, if they wanted, they would of done it already)
Isaac will die in GS4 or some other future game
Kraden will never die
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Team Flare Zakk ( Agatio ) on June 25, 2013, 09:17:13 PM
Isaac will die?

Don't tell me he turns into a Doom Dragon and Matthew is forced to kill him.  :rolleyes:

16 party members is a must, and here's what kind of characters they should include

Isaac
Garet
Ivan
Mia
Felix
Sheba
Jenna
Piers

Matthew
Tyrell
Karis
Nowell
Felix's son
Proxian
Amiti
Hama's son or daughter, either that or Sveta returns

Too bad Tyrell and Garet have to be included though, especially Tyrell.  :rolleyes:

Final boss needs to be good, even if it's a dragon

Allow Alex to battle, I want to battle Alex

Why not have Kraden die?

Actually can he be removed, his dialog is boring, and if Alex turns out to be good, I would not be surprised if Kraden was the big evil of this series.
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Star Magician on June 26, 2013, 04:40:58 PM
Kraden will never die
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Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Team Flare Zakk ( Agatio ) on June 29, 2013, 06:38:21 PM
I'm going to say my take on the possibility of a Proxian becoming a playable character.

First off Felix, he is reconized as Prox's strongest warrior and it's possible that's where he disappeared to seeing that Felix may have wanted to return to Prox as their hero.

Instead of Felix having a son or daughter that could end up being a copy of Matthew, he could be a sensei to a Proxian warrior apprentice that ends up joining the main cast as the new Mars adept.

Another thing it's kind of unnecessary for Felix to have a son seeing that Matthew is his nephew, especially if it is another Venus Adept.

Remember that area where Puelle was and there was like 6 Proxian apprentices?

First off, the girls looked like Menardi and the guys looked like Saturos, I wonder why they'd make them resemble important Proxian characters, perhaps there's a later use for one of these Proxians?

I do think Felix went back to train these Proxians though, and I do think Felix is going to end up in a storyline that connects with our new Mars adept, a Proxian that was trained by Felix.

Most of all at the end of Lost Age after beating the Doom Dragon, each and everyone of these Proxian apprentices where interested in getting stronger, so this could hint one of these guys being playable later on.

Does anybody else remember these Proxian apprentices?

If so do you think it's possible one of these Proxians can be playable in GS4?

Do you think Felix returned to Prox to train these apprentices?
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Ivan Strider on June 30, 2013, 11:57:06 PM
STAHP! I'm drooling all over mah keyboard. I want a girl proxian character and a girl Main Protagonist.

Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Scorpio on July 01, 2013, 01:03:45 AM
I'm all for Felix having a girl and heving her team with her cousin, Matt's older brother who trained with his mother due to his Mars Psynergy.
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Team Flare Zakk ( Agatio ) on July 01, 2013, 05:56:49 AM
I'm all for Felix having a girl and heving her team with her cousin, Matt's older brother who trained with his mother due to his Mars Psynergy.

I think Matthew having a sibling that uses fire psynergy would be ok, but only if it replaces Tyrell.

I can't help but hope Tyrell gets replaced somehow.
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Scorpio on July 01, 2013, 02:06:12 PM
I'm fine with Tyrell, it's Sveta that I want gone. I like Rief better than her, and everyone knows I hate him.
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Aether on July 01, 2013, 07:00:02 PM
I feel like the GS:DD trio will definitely be in the next game if they make one. And Sveta's story is finished, so there would be no point to add her.

I will revive the idea of a guy without psynergy, but some kind of item to help him in battle or something
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Team Flare Zakk ( Agatio ) on July 02, 2013, 05:41:13 PM
I'm all for a Proxian being the new Mars Adept to replace Eoleo in whom won't return because his story along with Himi's story is over, he needs to return to Champa and take care of his grandmother.

Felix doesn't need a descendant, Matthew is already his nephew, I'd rather keep Matthew the leader I'm kind of tired of the leader changing in every title, just keep one, I like Matthew because he reminds me of Isaac and the fact that he's Isaac's son and Felix's nephew works out perfectly.

Tyrell is just someone we have to put up with as one of Mars adepts, but for the second one I don't want another Eoleo, nor do I want a clone of Jenna in whom already has Matthew as a descendant which is good enough, I want to see a Proxian as our new Mars adept.

Think about how interesting the Proxian woud be.

He/she could have moves like

Rising Dragon: Agatio's move from Lost Age could be used as a Proxian exclusive

Fume series: since the Proxian would take Eoleo'splace, then the fume series would still be usable psynergy

Flame Dragon: like Sveta, the Proxian can transform into a Flame Dragon to increase the power of his/her stats

Pyroclasm: Can't have a Proxian moveset without good ole Saturos's favorite move

Super Nova/Mad Blast: Karst and Menadri used these moves, either one would work, maybe Mad Blast since Tyrell has Supernova.

Also the weapons a Proxian would use are

Scythe: exclusive to Proxians and makes a great exclusive new weapon to use

Long Sword: Like Matthew, he/she can be able to use long swords, however unlike Matthew and the others, the Proxian holds it like it's a light blade, much like Saturos did.

Light Blade: Can also use light blades

Fist: Like what Agatio probably used, there would bea second exclusive weapon for the Proxian, fists.
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Neoxian Descendent on July 05, 2013, 03:32:16 AM
here are my character choices.
first mercury: Nowell,
first venus:  Felix Sheba son,
first mars: unintroduced but connected( like childhood friends or something )
first jupiter:  another one of ivan's offspring
second mercury: another distant relative of Mia( example; amiti)
second venus: takeru
second mars: proxian
second jupiter: unintroduced

also, just for the fun of it, pairings
 :garet: :gsjoy: :mia:
 :isaac: :gsjoy: :jenna:
 :felix: :gsjoy: :sheba:
 :ivan: (forever alone)http://goldensunforums.thelostwaters.com/Smileys/tlw/gsfrown.gif
 :piers: ( forever alone)http://goldensunforums.thelostwaters.com/Smileys/tlw/001_huh.gif





Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Ivan Strider on July 05, 2013, 03:41:14 AM
Ivan isn't forever alone, he has a daughter, so that means he has a Wife or a Girlfriend or something like that.

Garet has a different wife since Reif and Tyrell aren't brothers or else Camelot would have actually implied it.

Issac Jenna is Cannon

Felix Sheba is unconfirmed, but most likely cannon
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Neoxian Descendent on July 05, 2013, 03:48:26 AM
misinterpretation. i meant unconfirmed be forever alone. also, i know about the garret mia thing. can't i have a little fun? :tongue:
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Team Flare Zakk ( Agatio ) on July 06, 2013, 05:51:59 AM
Who would the Proxin descend from?

 :saturos:  :gsjoy:  :menardi:

 :agatio:  :gsjoy:  :karst:

 :saturos:  :gsjoy:  :karst:

Or

 :agatio:  :gsjoy:  :menardi:

The first two, Proxshipping and Dragonshipping are two we always look at, especially Proxshipping considering it has Saturos, but what if it was actually vise versa where it's Saturos with Karst and Agatio with Menardi?


Or would the Proxian descend from nobody?

There was 6 Proxian warriors at the end of Lost Age, all of them were kind of young, could it be one of them?
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Star Magician on July 06, 2013, 06:10:39 AM
Why is the whole shipping topic being so fervently discussed so suddenly? xD
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Ivan Strider on July 06, 2013, 07:08:01 AM
I don't know
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Merc on July 06, 2013, 04:10:15 PM
*Sinks all ships*

No ships.
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Star Magician on July 07, 2013, 06:15:55 AM
Thanks! :)
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Rolina on July 07, 2013, 06:29:38 PM
Personally, I don't want two teams.  DD blundered that one pretty bad.  Instead, I want a single team with a stronger focus on character growth.

The team would be (speaking only of base classes):

Felix and Sheba's daughter - Physical, Jupiter Adept, acts similarly to Squire.
Proxian boy - Caster, Mars Adept, healer akin to mia's Angel line.  Not related to anyone from the past games.
Takeru - Physical, Venus adept.  Has a more tank-like role, and with proper tank support.  No healing, though.
Nowell - Caster, Mercury Adept, full on blaster.  Offensive spells are her thing.

They would have full class separation - that means no more sharing of classes.  They would also have classes optimized for their team, so you'd see things like Venus djinn granting classes with higher defense, and Jupiter djinn granting classes with higher Attack, rather than the way it currently works.  And please - pleasepleaseplease - add proper caster support by granting two new stats akin to my Casting and Warding.
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Team Flare Zakk ( Agatio ) on July 07, 2013, 06:56:27 PM
Personally, I don't want two teams.  DD blundered that one pretty bad.  Instead, I want a single team with a stronger focus on character growth.

The team would be (speaking only of base classes):

Felix and Sheba's daughter - Physical, Jupiter Adept, acts similarly to Squire.
Proxian boy - Caster, Mars Adept, healer akin to mia's Angel line.  Not related to anyone from the past games.
Takeru - Physical, Venus adept.  Has a more tank-like role, and with proper tank support.  No healing, though.
Nowell - Caster, Mercury Adept, full on blaster.  Offensive spells are her thing.

They would have full class separation - that means no more sharing of classes.  They would also have classes optimized for their team, so you'd see things like Venus djinn granting classes with higher defense, and Jupiter djinn granting classes with higher Attack, rather than the way it currently works.  And please - pleasepleaseplease - add proper caster support by granting two new stats akin to my Casting and Warding.

No, the Proxian shouldn't be a healer, that's stupid, he should like Saturos and Agatio, powerful with really unique Mars Psynergy only a Proxian can use, like Agatio's Rising Dragon, or being able to turn into a Flame Dragon and use powerful psynergies like Dragon Driver and Outer Space.

If anything, the Proxian should be more like Sveta.

I don't see anything wrong with him having the Aura healing Psynergy like Jenna and Karst, but don't make him a complete healer like Rief in whom was the weakest piece of garbage I've ever seen in a Golden Sun game.

Nowell replaces Rief and probably has the Wish series, and I totally agree with making her more offensive than Rief was, maybe she can use a Light Blade like Karis.

I like the idea of Felix and Sheba's daughter being the new Jupiter Adept, please give her Mind Read

I don't care what they do with Takeru, I'm using Matthew as my Venus Adept.

Yeah I disagree with not including Matthew's team, I think Matthew, Karis and Tyrell will return, and Amiti should return too.

So the other four should be

Matthew
Karis
Tyrell
Amiti

Also I'd like to see a feature that allows us to run around the map as whomever we want, like in Final Fantasy.

For example say I want to run around as Amiti, just put him in the leading spot of the team and he becomes the guy running around the world map.

Also do away with the mute protagonist and just let everybody talk.

Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Rolina on July 07, 2013, 07:31:39 PM
Wow, you have neither tact nor any sense of team balance at all, do you?  Quick question - what's your opinion on Mia?
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Team Flare Zakk ( Agatio ) on July 07, 2013, 08:31:52 PM
Wow, you have neither tact nor any sense of team balance at all, do you?  Quick question - what's your opinion on Mia?

That's a easy one, I love Mia.

In Lost Age I changed her to being a Guru to gain a duel type with moves like Pure Wish, Pyroclasm and Hail Prism, I gave her every single stat boosting item in the game such as Apples, Cookies, Mints, to increase her stats, and I have her as my lead character.

I always main her in battle in otherwords.

Rief was different, HE was a boy, and being a boy and not being able to lift a Light Blade, that's weak, Ivan was able to use a Lght Blade, so Rief should have been able to use a Light Blade, all he can use is staffs.

Also the fact that Rief was a boy replacing Mia bothered me, Nowell is like another Mia much like Matthew is another Isaac, which I think they should have had Rief not even exist.

I NEVER USED MIA AS A HEALER, she's too good for that, let stupid Jenna heal.

Why are you saying for the Proxian to be a stupid healer?

The Proxian should be a powerhouse with unique abilities , not a healer, just have Nowell have the Wish Psynergy series and that good enough.

My idea of a team was perfect.
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Light on July 07, 2013, 08:55:12 PM
Here are the party members that will be in the next game (more than likely):

Returning:
Matthew
Karis
Tyrell
Amiti
Rief (Non-playable)

New:
Felix' and Sheba's Son (Venus)
Takeru (Mars, if Eoleo can do it, so can Takeru)
That Jupiter girl in Contigo or Feizhi's child
Nowell (Mercury, the hair is a dead giveaway, which is weird since Mia was originally gonna be a Mars adept and Jenna a Mercury adept)

Makes sense actually, why?, well the first game had three males one female, while the second two males two females, the list I have has three males returning along with one female, while the new characters are two females and two males

Besides, this list is obvious to an extent, if you guys bothered to study the characters and their actions in the first two games
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Rolina on July 07, 2013, 09:02:16 PM
@Agatio:  So let me get this straight - you hate Rief, who is statistically identical in every possible way to Mia, yet you love Mia?

To hammer this home...

Exact same stat targets (therefore, stat growths)
Exact same classes, both base and alt
Exact same equipment selection
Exact same role in the party

Yet you love Mia, and hate Rief?  THEY ARE LITERALLY THE SAME GOD DAMNED THING, SAVE FOR GENDER!  How the hell, does that make any sense?  Since you aren't above insulting others for daring to have a difference in opinion, I'll take great joy in ripping you apart here.

What are you, an idiot?  Are you seriously that stupid to not see what's right in front of you?  What, do you think that him not being able to use blades has anything to do with how heavy they are?  What do you have against girls that makes you think we're weak and pathetic?  So you're a sexist pig, is that what you're saying?  Are you saying that physical girls shouldn't be a thing in Golden Sun?  Have you ever thought about the fact that it may have nothing to do with how strong or weak a person is, and instead have to do with what they've been trained to use?  It's called WEAPON PROFICIENCY.  Sure, he can pick up and swing a blade around, but he knows nothing of the technique in doing so - instead, he opts to pick up a mace, WHICH WEIGH MORE, and club you to death with it.  Yes, that's right, Rief doesn't give a damn about stabbing people with a cutty thing, he'd rather bash your skull in and watch your brains fly out of your head.

Now, I'll give you that Rief makes no sense as a Cleric - he's a scholar, not a healer, so it'd have made more sense to for him to have a well rounded class - some attack spells, some support spells, and the one area healing line.  That makes more sense for his personality.  But DD screwed up EVERYONE'S class.  Nobody's class makes any god damned sense for them.  Tyrell is impulsive and aggressive - he should be a DPS character, not a tank.  Sveta opts to beat your face in with her bare fists - so why the hell is her base class built like a mage?  And for that matter, why the hell is her only unique alt class - a dual element class - built like a tri-elemental physical class?  And why were they so lazy that it has the exact same spell selection as her Overdrive class, the Wild Animal line?

But that's not what this is about.  No, you not understanding that the two are identical and have the same role in the party only proves to me one thing - you're too dumb to deserve the air you breathe.  You insist that everything go your way, and when someone makes a suggestion you don't like, you not only disagree, you insult them and call them an idiot for thinking that.

How dare I want a balanced team.
How dare I want a balanced selection of genders.
How dare I want racial variety in the party.
How dare I chose a Martian that makes sense to start with the MC, Felix/Sheba's Daughter.

No, we should clearly do what you want to do, and that's "do whatever".  Amiti has a god damned nation to run.  Same as Sveta.  It makes no sense for them to be a second party for anything.  Oh, and how about some of that other bullshit, hmm?  Dragon Diver and Outer Space, for example.  They're not psynergies - they're SUMMONS.  And how about Heat Flash and Rising Dragon?  Heat Flash is an Unleash - it was heavily implied that it, as well as Death Scythe and whatever the hell Agatio's version was, are tied not to them, but to their weapon.  Rising Dragon has a power of 250, compared to Dragon Fume's 230.  in other words, it's not even a tier stronger - it's roughly similar in strength, and weak for a physical adept to use.  I'm not even kidding.  Oh, and how about Cage?  Well, that almost never hits.  You'd be better off changing it so that it inflicts paralysis instead.  And where the hell do you get off saying that these are 'unique to proxians'?  I can see a dragonform being done in the same manner as beastform, but with djinni to regulate it so they don't, you know, DIE like Prox duos did after using them.  But do you seriously think that'd work like a healer class?  What the hell do you think Dragons DO?  A martian dragon, obviously, would KILL IT WITH FIRE.  And yet you're bitching because... he... can do that?  How the hell does that make ANY sense?  And how about that weapon selection?  Have you ever considered that I may not give him the Sage build?  That I may give him a god damned scythe?  Nope, apparently your brain couldn't comprehend such a thing.

To you, healer = Rief.  Which means that if I make him a healer, he's stuck doing everything Rief does.  Except, you know, IF HE DID THAT THEN HE'D BE ANOTHER MIA.  Not Rief, MIA.  Because that's MIA's class and MIA's setup.  NOT ALL HEALERS ARE MIA.  And why you're bashing Jenna, one of the most OP characters in the game, I'll never understand.

Why the hell would I, someone who's argued on behalf of variety and things being DIFFERENT, ever want a character to be exactly like another?  Are you that dense that you haven't begun to understand that maybe I might make it so that he's not ALWAYS a healer?  That maybe, just like Mia and Ivan, that he'll have some powerhouse classes to switch to if he wanted?  That maybe this Scythe Wielding Healer can become a scythe wielding menace that turns into a f***ing fire breathing dragon of DEATH?

This doesn't say anything about your ideas being "perfect" save for your perfect lack of an imagination.  If you're too stupid to see the potential, and so feeble minded that you can't accept other people having their own opinions, then maybe you should just shut up, hmm? 

Your idea is shit.  Not because it's bad, not because it's flawed (oh, it is.  It so is.), not because it's essentially "I don't want a new team I'll just use the old one" - it's shit because you refuse to accept anyone else's ideas as a valid possibility.
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Light on July 07, 2013, 09:05:25 PM
@Agatio:  So let me get this straight - you hate Rief, who is statistically identical in every possible way to Mia, yet you love Mia?

To hammer this home...

Exact same stat targets (therefore, stat growths)
Exact same classes, both base and alt
Exact same equipment selection
Exact same role in the party

Yet you love Mia, and hate Rief?  THEY ARE LITERALLY THE SAME GOD DAMNED THING, SAVE FOR GENDER!  How the hell, does that make any sense?  Since you aren't above insulting others for daring to have a difference in opinion, I'll take great joy in ripping you apart here.

What are you, an idiot?  Are you seriously that stupid to not see what's right in front of you?  What, do you think that him not being able to use blades has anything to do with how heavy they are?  What do you have against girls that makes you think we're weak and pathetic?  So you're a sexist pig, is that what you're saying?  Are you saying that physical girls shouldn't be a thing in Golden Sun?  Have you ever thought about the fact that it may have nothing to do with how strong or weak a person is, and instead have to do with what they've been trained to use?  It's called WEAPON PROFICIENCY.  Sure, he can pick up and swing a blade around, but he knows nothing of the technique in doing so - instead, he opts to pick up a mace, WHICH WEIGH MORE, and club you to death with it.  Yes, that's right, Rief doesn't give a damn about stabbing people with a cutty thing, he'd rather bash your skull in and watch your brains fly out of your head.

Now, I'll give you that Rief makes no sense as a Cleric - he's a scholar, not a healer, so it'd have made more sense to for him to have a well rounded class - some attack spells, some support spells, and the one area healing line.  That makes more sense for his personality.  But DD screwed up EVERYONE'S class.  Nobody's class makes any god damned sense for them.  Tyrell is impulsive and aggressive - he should be a DPS character, not a tank.  Sveta opts to beat your face in with her bare fists - so why the hell is her base class built like a mage?  And for that matter, why the hell is her only unique alt class - a dual element class - built like a tri-elemental physical class?  And why were they so lazy that it has the exact same spell selection as her Overdrive class, the Wild Animal line?

But that's not what this is about.  No, you not understanding that the two are identical and have the same role in the party only proves to me one thing - you're too dumb to deserve the air you breathe.  You insist that everything go your way, and when someone makes a suggestion you don't like, you not only disagree, you insult them and call them an idiot for thinking that.

How dare I want a balanced team.
How dare I want a balanced selection of genders.
How dare I want racial variety in the party.
How dare I chose a Martian that makes sense to start with the MC, Felix/Sheba's Daughter.

No, we should clearly do what you want to do, and that's "do whatever".  Amiti has a god damned nation to run.  Same as Sveta.  It makes no sense for them to be a second party for anything.  Oh, and how about some of that other bullshit, hmm?  Dragon Diver and Outer Space, for example.  They're not psynergies - they're SUMMONS.  And how about Heat Flash and Rising Dragon?  Heat Flash is an Unleash - it was heavily implied that it, as well as Death Scythe and whatever the hell Agatio's version was, are tied not to them, but to their weapon.  Rising Dragon has a power of 250, compared to Dragon Fume's 230.  in other words, it's not even a tier stronger - it's roughly similar in strength, and weak for a physical adept to use.  I'm not even kidding.  Oh, and how about Cage?  Well, that almost never hits.  You'd be better off changing it so that it inflicts paralysis instead.  And where the hell do you get off saying that these are 'unique to proxians'?  I can see a dragonform being done in the same manner as beastform, but with djinni to regulate it so they don't, you know, DIE like Prox duos did after using them.  But do you seriously think that'd work like a healer class?  What the hell do you think Dragons DO?  A martian dragon, obviously, would KILL IT WITH FIRE.  And yet you're bitching because... he... can do that?  How the hell does that make ANY sense?  And how about that weapon selection?  Have you ever considered that I may not give him the Sage build?  That I may give him a god damned scythe?  Nope, apparently your brain couldn't comprehend such a thing.

To you, healer = Rief.  Which means that if I make him a healer, he's stuck doing everything Rief does.  Except, you know, IF HE DID THAT THEN HE'D BE ANOTHER MIA.  Not Rief, MIA.  Because that's MIA's class and MIA's setup.  NOT ALL HEALERS ARE MIA.  And why you're bashing Jenna, one of the most OP characters in the game, I'll never understand.

Why the hell would I, someone who's argued on behalf of variety and things being DIFFERENT, ever want a character to be exactly like another?  Are you that dense that you haven't begun to understand that maybe I might make it so that he's not ALWAYS a healer?  That maybe, just like Mia and Ivan, that he'll have some powerhouse classes to switch to if he wanted?  That maybe this Scythe Wielding Healer can become a scythe wielding menace that turns into a f***ing fire breathing dragon of DEATH?

This doesn't say anything about your ideas being "perfect" save for your perfect lack of an imagination.  If you're too stupid to see the potential, and so feeble minded that you can't accept other people having their own opinions, then maybe you should just shut up, hmm? 

Your idea is shit.  Not because it's bad, not because it's flawed (oh, it is.  It so is.), not because it's essentially "I don't want a new team I'll just use the old one" - it's shit because you refuse to accept anyone else's ideas as a valid possibility.
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Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Rolina on July 07, 2013, 09:07:42 PM
Do kindly quote him with that as well then, because it started with him saying I was stupid for my ideas.
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Light on July 07, 2013, 09:11:35 PM
Do kindly quote him with that as well then, because it started with him saying I was stupid for my ideas.
Sorry but no

He unlike you is not in-tuned with the rules at the moment, he only recently got here, thus I find him more forgiving for any rule breaking

You on the other hand have been here for months now, you had time to read the rules and to follow them eventually

~Also, I don't do requests
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Rolina on July 07, 2013, 09:22:50 PM
It matters not how new or old a person is, rules are rules.  If you cannot hold him by the same rules you hold me to, then what's the point of the rules to begin with?

Being new is no excuse.  That only serves to show disrespect to who you claim to "know better" by showing preferential treatment.
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Light on July 07, 2013, 09:46:35 PM
I tend to judge members based on posts, I can tell Agatio is 13 or below (or possibly English just isn't his first language)

I treat rules like how the law works, we hold adults more accountable than minors, thus I hold older members more accountable than newer ones
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Rolina on July 07, 2013, 09:56:14 PM
Except the punishment here isn't jail time, it's significantly more minor and has little to do with the hard breaking of laws, which is why the law works the way it does.  Laws are put into place to protect each other, but the rules here are put in place for different reasons.  The first ones are the obvious "Don't break the law when you post", and the others are about etiquette.

Being young doesn't excuse you.  Being new doesn't excuse you.  The way he types is irrelevant.  The way he presents himself and treats others is what matters here.  If he can get away with blatantly breaking these rules just because "he's young", then the rules mean nothing, and you, a lowly member, hardly have any say over how they're enforced.

Treat everyone equally in the eyes of the rules, or leave the enforcement to people who capable of doing it justly.
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Light on July 07, 2013, 10:01:20 PM
Except the punishment here isn't jail time, it's significantly more minor and has little to do with the hard breaking of laws, which is why the law works the way it does.  Laws are put into place to protect each other, but the rules here are put in place for different reasons.  The first ones are the obvious "Don't break the law when you post", and the others are about etiquette.

Being young doesn't excuse you.  Being new doesn't excuse you.  The way he types is irrelevant.  The way he presents himself and treats others is what matters here.  If he can get away with blatantly breaking these rules just because "he's young", then the rules mean nothing, and you, a lowly member, hardly have any say over how they're enforced.

Treat everyone equally in the eyes of the rules, or leave the enforcement to people who capable of doing it justly.
Lowly Member?

It doesn't matter how big the crime is, things are still treated the same in perspective

Honestly I'm done trying to argue with someone who herself couldn't follow the rules

~BTW, Post reported again, for disrespecting another member
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Rolina on July 07, 2013, 10:04:00 PM
Lowly member, just like me.  Neither of us are Mods or Admin, are we?  Lowly Member with no actual power.

There is no disrespect in that post.
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Nyran on July 07, 2013, 10:15:27 PM
is it wrong that I think Rolina just served Agatio?

I personally think that Rolina is right
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Light on July 07, 2013, 10:17:55 PM
is it wrong that I think Rolina just served Agatio?

I personally think that Rolina is right
You have the right to your opinion, no hard feelings
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Team Flare Zakk ( Agatio ) on July 07, 2013, 10:51:40 PM
I don't think Takeru should be Mars, that's a waste.

I think the Mars Adept really should be a Proxian because it offers a new unique character to play as, like I said having unique pynergies only a Proxian can use would be great.

Also Saturos was always a very popular character in the series in general, so it's only fitting that they design him after Saturos due to his popularity therefore the Proxian should be a guy.

Also this brings a new set of weapons never used available, Scythes and possibly Fists, much like how Karst and Menardi used Scythes and Agatio used his fists.

A good moveset for the Proxian could be

Pyroclasm
Rising Dragon
Rolling Flame
Stun Muscle
Heat Flash
Mad Blast
Supernova
Flame Dragon Transformation

Moves gained as Flame Dragon

Dragon Driver
Outer Space
Meteor Blow

The Proxian cold be like the new Sveta with a very unique Mars moveset.

Also add Dragon Fume to Tyrell.
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Rolina on July 07, 2013, 10:56:37 PM
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I don't think Takeru should be Mars, that's a waste.
What are you even talking about?  I haven't seen anyone saying that he should be anything but Venusian.  I mean, he was born next to Gaia Rock.

Finally, i don't think Proxians should have a unique anything save for appearance and form.  I do not think they should be able to cast summons, because that's OP as hell, and I do not think they should be limited to moves that other proxians have used either.  Your idea of a Proxian is limited as hell, you should give them more variety and come up with some new spells for them rather than relying on other moves that proxians have used.

Just copying what has already been done is rather boring.
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Scorpio on July 07, 2013, 11:05:51 PM
Wow. Why is every recent poster, save for Nyran, being so immature? Calm down, guys. None of your opinions matter. Not mine, not even the Admin's. All that matters is what Camelot thinks. L, Agatio, Lina, all of you need to start behaving.

L, Aether is like 13 and he's more polite than a lot of people on here, so age is no excuse.
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Maegra on July 07, 2013, 11:54:16 PM
Getting real tired of this kind of stuff guys... I don't want to ban members, especially not new ones, but if you guys can't learn to get along and follow the darn rules...
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Scorpio on July 08, 2013, 12:01:15 AM
As L and Lina are my friends, I apologise on all of our behalves. I'm sorry for my part in it, I just wanted to end tghe problem before either of them got banned.
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Halcyonic Legend on July 08, 2013, 12:27:18 AM
Seriously guys...?
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Nyran on July 08, 2013, 12:44:18 AM
Yay! I'm the mature one!
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Aether on July 08, 2013, 01:38:52 AM
L, Aether is like 14 and he's more polite than a lot of people on here, so age is no excuse.

 :D
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Scorpio on July 08, 2013, 01:40:58 AM
Aether, you're a gentleman, and I respect you for it.
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Aether on July 08, 2013, 01:45:03 AM
Err, I'll steer us back on topic with a new question. How about "Are there any new weapons you would like to see in game?" We have enough swords, and I'm sure there are cool weapons that haven't been on yet.
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Team Flare Zakk ( Agatio ) on July 08, 2013, 01:50:30 AM
I want to see a Death Scythe added.

I always wanted to use that thing since I first saw Menardi use it in Broken Seal, right now the closest thing to a Death Scythe is the Mortal Danger release from the Assassin's Blade.
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Rolina on July 08, 2013, 01:46:45 PM
Death Scythe:  Physical Added Damage +35, Venus Element, may inflict death, animation 141 argument 4.
Mortal Danger:  Physical Added Damage +28, Venus Element, may inflict death, animation 141 argument 4.

Assassin Blade has a power of +90 attack.  Using that ratio, we can assume that Menardi and Karst's scythes have a power of ~+112 attack power.  Who knows, maybe we'll see it in a later installment?
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Neoxian Descendent on July 09, 2013, 12:17:57 AM
That would be awesome. I've always wanted to use a scythe.

p.s.; I like the idea of the proxian transforming thing. To me, that'd be really cool.
 :gshappy:
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Team Flare Zakk ( Agatio ) on July 14, 2013, 12:19:11 AM
Alright guys, I made a pic showing portraits of what the cast of characters might be in Golden Sun 4.

Note: since I obviously don't have the portraits of all the characters, I substituted them with existing characters that may have the closest resemblance to the new characters that may be introduced.
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Aether on July 22, 2013, 02:22:36 AM
Naw, prob not Nowell. She followed Piers to wherever he's going. Which means unless Piers is there, she won't be.
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Neoxian Descendent on July 22, 2013, 03:47:56 AM
Yeah, but maybe piers is thier version of kraden, except much cooler, older, and less talkative.
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Star Magician on July 22, 2013, 05:59:09 AM
Hmmm, and maybe Nowell will be like Jenna was in GS2, where you start as her first during the intro/tutorial thing.
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Aether on July 22, 2013, 08:20:02 AM
But Jenna was special, as the kidnapped damsel that Isaac's party is trying to rescue (and Kraden, but he could just save himself)

Nowell didn't really do much in DD and thus was not important. Unless the beginning is a stalking Piers minigame i doubt that.
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Star Magician on July 22, 2013, 12:23:30 PM
But she an Piers may stumble across someone important. Or something.
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Team Flare Zakk ( Agatio ) on July 22, 2013, 09:04:29 PM
Neoxian Descendent and Star Magician both have really cool ideas.

Yes, please let Piers be the new Kraden, and besides guess what guys, Eoleo left us, meaning we need a new boat, who has one, Piers, so it is inevitable that Piers will be in the next game.

I would love to start out with Nowell like how Lost Age started out with Jenna, maybe she and Piers could meet up with Matthew, Karis and Tyrell.

We have four characters?

Uh oh, are the monsters actually going to be stronger?

I kind of think they might keep Matthew as the leader, they really should.
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Aether on July 24, 2013, 03:14:52 AM
Eoleo left us, meaning we need a new boat, who has one, Piers, so it is inevitable that Piers will be in the next game.
Doesn't Isaac still have the boat? Or did something happen in TLA that ruined it, cuz i didn't really play that one.

Besides, I'm hoping we can fly instead of swim the next game.
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Star Magician on July 24, 2013, 04:04:20 AM
Eoleo left us, meaning we need a new boat, who has one, Piers, so it is inevitable that Piers will be in the next game.
Doesn't Isaac still have the boat? Or did something happen in TLA that ruined it, cuz i didn't really play that one.

Besides, I'm hoping we can fly instead of swim the next game.
Piers has it.
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Team Flare Zakk ( Agatio ) on July 25, 2013, 12:05:00 AM
Eoleo left us, meaning we need a new boat, who has one, Piers, so it is inevitable that Piers will be in the next game.
Doesn't Isaac still have the boat? Or did something happen in TLA that ruined it, cuz i didn't really play that one.

Besides, I'm hoping we can fly instead of swim the next game.
Piers has it.

Exactly, so wouldn't make sense if we meet up with Piers in GS4?

Hopefully it still flies like in Lost Age, I hated Eoleo's piece of junk of a boat because it couldn't do that.
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Aether on July 25, 2013, 05:05:17 AM
Or it could destroy all land it comes upon huehuehue
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Team Flare Zakk ( Agatio ) on August 02, 2013, 07:09:57 PM
Ok guys, I'm not going to lie, I didn't really understand anything about Dark Dawn, I thought that storyline was so confusing and it left me kind of confused what was going on.

As opposed to Lost Age and Broken Seal's storyline where it was simply light the lighthouses to stop a cataclysm, but at the same time benefit Alex in getting the Golden Sun power.

However Dark Dawn was confusing, the only thing that made sense was looking at Alex and thinking ok, this guy is the big bad and he's really powerful, but other than that nothing really made much sense.

With that said, I'm not sure how a sequel will play out besides Matthew being all like hey Karis and Tyrell let's continue our quest to save the world, but now we need a Mercury Adept and a boat, which is a good plot to start with seeing that they'd seek out Piers and Nowell and considering how smart Karis is, she'll be the one to remember a guy named Piers that sails around Weyard.
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Rolina on August 03, 2013, 05:36:28 AM
Dark Dawn was so lore breaking it hurt.  Quite frankly, I don't blame you for getting confused.
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Aether on August 03, 2013, 09:33:33 AM
Yo kids, get a feather. Now you gotta power those things. Now you gotta stop powering those things. Now you gotta run away. Now you gotta ride a ship. Now you gotta sail aimlessly until you find the next part of the story
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Rolina on August 03, 2013, 11:45:23 PM
Here's a girl.  She has no personality.  She'll tell you where to go.  Don't ask how, we don't know. 
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Star Magician on August 04, 2013, 06:03:03 AM
See all these crazy buildings? They weren't there 30 years ago. They were underground. How is that possible, you ask? Oh, the Golden Sun did it.
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Team Flare Zakk ( Agatio ) on November 07, 2013, 01:41:11 AM
Ok does any of this make sense, this is something I just came up with on Neo.

I want to say Alex become the sol antagonist, but if the rumors are true and he really is actually a good guy deep down, then I want to see the real antagonist of the series.

I'm thinking if Alex turns out to not be the main antagonist, I think Camelot will pull a Chrono Trigger with him like Magus and have the main villain be kind of like Queen Zeal, the title High Emperor already hints a Queen Zeal like character.

If Alex is the main villain, I think they'd take a Ganondorf approach and he'd basically be the big bad holding the Golden Sun power and he must be defeated to save Weyard.

The question is whether Alex is the main antagonist or is he acting as a Anti-Hero and he's actually trying to do good for Weyard?

Mia said she was disgusted to be his cousin, the question is did she not understand why Alex took that power and just assumed he became evil, or is he really evil?

Chaos Chimera was a stupid final boss, I liked fighting Dullahan better than that thing.

What if Dullahan turned out to be the main Antagonist?

That would be a cool idea, better than lame villians like Blados and Chalis, then that stupid Chaos Chimera.

I think Nowell should replace Rief as the new Mercury Adept.

Amiti should return since he has a very important role, if he really is Alex's son.

Mars Adept to replace Eoleo should be either Kay's descendant, Matthew's sister, or a Proxian.

Jupiter Adept to replace Sveta should be Hama's descendant, or Sheba's descendant.

Venus Adept to replace Himi should be Felix's descendant, Himi's brother, or maybe Matthew could have a brother or sister that's a Venus Adept too.

As of now Golden Sun 4 will probably be the last of the series to close the book, so it should be made to be the best Golden Sun ever considering that a possibility.e?
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Tetsu (Soltur) on November 07, 2013, 01:26:02 PM
Okay, you bring up some good points, but here's what I'm thinking:

Dullahan could have a backstory where he's cursed by Iris, and that's why he's a being of shadow and Iris' power was locked away. If this is the case, Dullahan is protecting Iris, like he had always wanted and planned...just altered circumstances. This is his way of atoning for his crimes.

The Mercury Adept (to replace Rief) would, perhaps, be a descendant of Piers, if there has to be any relation to the TLA team.

MORE IDEAS TO COME

But I do like your ideas, Agatio. :)
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Team Flare Zakk ( Agatio ) on November 07, 2013, 10:22:23 PM
Okay, you bring up some good points, but here's what I'm thinking:

Dullahan could have a backstory where he's cursed by Iris, and that's why he's a being of shadow and Iris' power was locked away. If this is the case, Dullahan is protecting Iris, like he had always wanted and planned...just altered circumstances. This is his way of atoning for his crimes.

The Mercury Adept (to replace Rief) would, perhaps, be a descendant of Piers, if there has to be any relation to the TLA team.

MORE IDEAS TO COME

But I do like your ideas, Agatio. :)

I like your ideas too.

That sounds like a interesting storyline for Dullahan, it would be cool if Dullahan gets some sort of storyline to explain why he guards the Iris Summon tablet.

Also yes a descendant of Piers or any Lemurian is a possibility for a Mercury Adept, I totally agree.
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: exp on May 10, 2017, 01:46:29 PM
Sorry everybody for striking with just one post... but i got really excited, and I'm not sure if for a good reason:
http://imgur.com/gallery/ZkABMzG

Have you seen it? What do you think?
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Scorpio on June 02, 2017, 08:34:07 AM
That's a well made fake. The effects on screen are common effects for video editing though and you notice the Switch and everything offscreen never reacts to the light of the screen changing. Sorry.
Title: Re: Golden Sun 4 (Main Topic)
Post by: Team Flare Zakk ( Agatio ) on April 15, 2018, 07:55:35 AM
Its time to bring back Golden Sun for the Switch!