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Offline Rolina

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« on: July 28, 2013, 11:06:17 PM »
Now then, when you read this, understand that this is a theory of what could be, not me saying that this is what is.  Do not come in here and demand that things happen the way you say they do and that they're totally, like prox centric or something.  Keep an open mind, or die in a fire.  Dead people don't post, so if your mind isn't open, do not post here.  This is for the theory and discussion of the theory, not dismissal of it.

Now then, with that being said...

Flip Side Theory is a theory I've come up with when just... general brainstorming.  But it solves two big questions, and presents a huge amount of possibility.

Question 1:  Why do the oceans not empty with Gaia Falls constantly dumping that much water?  We can't say that Aqua Rock just produces that much, because it simply can't - one point cannot produce enough water by volume that the falls dump off of weyard.

Question 2:  What the hell are psynergy vortexes and the Mourning Moon?  Why do they exist?  Now, there are a few theories to this one, such as machines used by the Tuaparang, and the imbalance caused by part of mars resting within Isaac... but neither really make me feel satisfied.  The machines is really far fetched, because we only ever see that once, and all the other times we see vortexes, there are no machines.  This leads me to believe that they were studying the vortex, not causing it.  And while Isaac being the cause of an imbalance is plausible... why then are they not focused upon martian energies?  They're indiscriminate with what they absorb, so that wouldn't make sense for them to absorb everything, rather than simply what's absent.

So here's the proposed solution:

What if Weyard has a Flip Side?  If you were to look at what is below Weyard, you'd see a whole different world.  Still flat, still with their versions of the elemental lighthouses.  All of that there.  This solves the gaia falls problem - if they have their own gaia falls, and they meet in the center, then let's assume the water is recycled - it'd be drawn back into the core of weyard and sent up through places like Aqua Rock, not just on the surface, but all throughout the oceans.  With the two falls meeting in the middle, and the pulling power of the recycling going on, this preserves the water, and gives a proper reason for the oceans not draining.

But then what about the vortexes?  How would it even affect them?

Well... what if Weyard Side A has alchemy restored, but Weyard Side B still has it turned off?  Side A builds up with alchemical power - while side B has little of it.  Remember basic physics?  When one side has a higher pressure than another, nature tires to equalize the pressure.  Pressure from a high pressure zone tries to go to where there is low pressure.  This is the psynergy vortex.  A literal draining of energy from the high pressure zone to the low pressure zone.  These are usually small, as the pressure builds up - much like tiny quakes.  But then, once enough pressure is built up, you get a big one - the Mourning Moon, "the big one".

If Side A's Alchemy is turned on, and Side B's Alchemy is turned off... this would go a long way to explaining why Psynergy Vortexes exist.  But if they exist in our side, something likely far worse exists on theirs.  Psynergy Storms, perhaps.  If a vortex drains power, where does that end up?  If we can assume it really is a vortex... then where does the real damage take place?  At the top, in Side A?  Or at the bottom of the funnel in side B?  Side B likely has some seriously HUGE problems - psynergy has very likely become a powerful destructive force there, and may even be causing any efforts to restore alchemy there to be negatively affected, either via public opinion (alchemy IS causing a lot of violent damage there, after all), or via being a literal obstacle to any quest going on.

So what do you think?  Perhaps a future GS game could have this be discovered to bet he cause?  Perhaps the Tuaparang are actually FROM the flip side, and the device really was to study the vortexes to try and find out why they're happening.  There's a ton of potential that could come from having a flip side, after all - such as parallel stories.

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« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2013, 11:13:29 PM »
This reminds me so much of a mediocre RP I did once. And I do see the logic in it. I think it may be plausible. Although, just saying, that RP was really cliche, and I'm not proud of it.

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« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2013, 11:38:24 PM »
I love the idea. it really would make sense.
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« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2013, 11:44:21 PM »
First off I'm probably the most open minded fella here.

What if time travel becomes a issue in Golden Sun?

Maybe the vortexs are time travel portals that go back to certain events in the Golden Sun series, for example, maybe we have to somehow do certain things from the first 2 games.

Examples:

Stop Isaac and his party from killing Saturos and Menardi on Venus Lighthouse, thus this changes a certain flow in whick Karst and Agatio do not want to kill Isaac.

Stop Isaac from pursuing Saturos, and convince maybe Saturos and Menardi that Alex is the true enemy.

Of course boss fights will still occur, except we are trying to change the future, Matthew has become Future Trunks!

Another Vortex theory

A portal to a Dark Weyard:

A Weyard full of monsters and much like how the grave eclipse covered everything in darkness, the Dark Weyard is the whole weyard in darkness, I like the time travel theory better tbh.

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« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2013, 11:44:57 PM »
I thought I told you not to post.

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« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2013, 11:48:21 PM »
ok Agatio instead of giving your Ideas, how about you give your thoughts on Rolina's idea. Unless you are going to be negative about it. then don't post.
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« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2013, 11:50:41 PM »
I'm open to people being critical about it and trying to get me to flesh it out, but not if they're just pushing their own personal theories and ideas instead.

The point of criticizing a theory is to find it's flaws, not to replace it with your own personal narrative.

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« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2013, 11:52:39 PM »
How would Gravity, and Water work? Would the force of them colliding be enough to send them up again?

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« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2013, 11:55:27 PM »
maybe the water flows up and inward in the inverse weyard, but flows down and outward at Aqua Rock (mostly) and other spots?
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« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2013, 12:00:07 AM »
Think of it more like a convection current (I think that's what they are called).  You have two cycles of water, the downward motion of the falls is just one part of that.  It's really like two donuts stacked on top of each other, though.  The falls are just the outer edge.

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« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2013, 12:02:06 AM »
Ahh..I looked up the term, and now I see. Makes sense, thank you.

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« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2013, 10:55:44 PM »
Much of this idea is interesting...
But what would the game do with that?
I mean, how would you tie it to the story?

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« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2013, 10:59:29 PM »
That's easy.  This would give room for two dev teams and two main storylines.  For example, my original idea was to have my idea of having the fandom-inspired game take place several eras after the games, so that they wouldn't affect one another.  However, if I have it on the flip side, and perhaps only 300 years or so in the future, it allows for that kind of setup without making things long enough so that you don't even have to discuss Isaac and the others.  They wouldn't even /know/ about Isaac and the others simply because it's more or less a totally different world.

So if Camelot were to make GS4 or 5, and I made, say, Weyard Tactics and Wanderer of Weyard, they could take place even at the same time, but not affect one another in the slightest.  Two continuities, both canon to the same universe, with the possibilities of cameos from the other side.

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« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2013, 11:11:35 AM »
Perhaps the Tuaparang are actually FROM the flip side, and the device really was to study the vortexes to try and find out why they're happening.  There's a ton of potential that could come from having a flip side, after all - such as parallel stories.

When I was reading this, that's exactly what I was thinking.

I like your Flip Side Theory. Maybe, to incorporate the canon machines, these machines produce said Vortexes because the High Empyror wants to utilize the destructive Psynergy to rule Weyard Side B. Kind of cliche, yes, but it is not outside the realm of possibility.

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« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2013, 06:43:05 PM »
If in this hypothetical Weyard gaia falls are connected and water flows from one side to another... would that mean that is possible to go from one side to the other? (I mean people to pass through gaia falls in a ship or something)
It is an interesting idea this Flip Side Theory, maybe you should send it to Camelot... (they probably woudn't listen anyway, but i don't want GS4 to be a total dissapointment like DD)